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Brenda


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Kangaroos Tuesday, 24 August 2004, at 12:39 a.m. US Eastern Time

I was checking out some of the posts here and it seems that a lot of people don't like the Roos. Why? I didn't think they were that bad. They were the first team I ever watched. I kinda like em. But I may have to rethink my view of them depending on what is said in the replys. Also a footy team is trying to be organized in my area (the Northwest) which I think is great. I've let the organizers know that I would be interested in helping out so maybe I can get involved with the great sport of Footy!!! :D

   

RW "KC Swan" Lipp

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Re: Kangaroos Wednesday, 25 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m. US Eastern Time


> I was checking out some of the posts here and it seems that a lot of people
> don't like the Roos. Why?


As a Swans supporter, I have two reasons for disliking the Shinboners.


  • There's that Centenary Grand Final in '96.
  • North's abortive effort to infiltrate the Sydney market.

Mostly it's the Sydney infiltration: if you hate a team just for being the better team on the day, you'll end up with a lot of hatred.

The Sydney market isn't yet ready to support a second team. When it is there will need to be a more serious marketing effort; not drop in, declare yourself a local team for a few days, and hit the road right after the final siren.

The Kangaroo's did themselves a world of PR hurt in that effort. Among other things, they broke a promise not to market to Sydney members who bought tickets to their games at the SCG.

So, if you're looking for a new team IGNORE BOB and barrack for the Swans.


  -- RW "KC Swan" Lipp 

   

Brenda

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Re: Kangaroos Wednesday, 25 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m. US Eastern Time

So in other words the Roos came to Sydney, declared themselves the home team, and then after the finals took off to another town. Do I got it?
>
>
> As a Swans supporter, I have two reasons for disliking the Shinboners.
>


    >
  • There's that Centenary Grand Final in '96.
    >
  • North's abortive effort to infiltrate the Sydney market.
    >

> Mostly it's the Sydney infiltration: if you hate a team just for being the better
> team on the day, you'll end up with a lot of hatred.
> The Sydney market isn't yet ready to support a second team. When it is there will
> need to be a more serious marketing effort; not drop in, declare yourself a local
> team for a few days, and hit the road right after the final siren.
> The Kangaroo's did themselves a world of PR hurt in that effort. Among other
> things, they broke a promise not to market to Sydney members who bought tickets to
> their games at the SCG.
> So, if you're looking for a new team IGNORE BOB and barrack for the Swans.
>

>
  -- RW "KC Swan" Lipp 

   

RW "KC Swan" Lipp

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Re: Kangaroos Friday, 27 August 2004, at 12:30 a.m. US Eastern Time


> So in other words the Roos came to Sydney, declared themselves the home team,
> and then after the finals took off to another town. Do I got it?


Not exactly.

In '96 the Kangaroos and the Swans met in the Grand Final. Sydney finished the season as minor premiers, just ahead of North Melbourne:

 

Win Lose Draw %-age Pts
Sydney 16 5 1 123.8 66
North Melb 16 6 0 127.4 64
Brisbane 15 6 1 125.6 62
West Coast 15 7 0 125.3 60
Carlton 15 7 0 110.8 60
Etc.


The observant reader will notice that three other teams had higher percentages. Either of two additional points scored would have put North Melbourne at the top of the ladder: if Richmond had found one more point in round 4, to create a tie; or if Essendon had found one more point in round 6, to create a win.

The McIntyre Eight finals system was still in use in '96 (I prefer it to the current system). Sydney won their Qualifying Final, narrowly beating Hawthorn by one goal. Meanwhile, North Melbourne crushed Geelong by ten goals. (Interestingly, both games were decided by exactly the goals; in each game both teams scored the same number of behinds.)

Both teams having won through to the Preliminary Finals, they took the Semi Finals weekend off. In the PFs Sydney again played a close match, beating Essendon by a single point when Tony "Plugger" Lockett broke a tie with a 50m kick for a behind after the siren.

North Melbourne faced Brisbane in the second PF, with a Bear win to create the first ever all-non-Victorian final. Instead, the Kangaroos were 6.2 better, as 17.12 defeated 11.10. It would be the last ever game for the Brisbane Bears, as they would merge with Fitzroy to become the Brisbane Lions for '97.

Thus we reach the pinnacle of the Centenary Season, the 100th Grand Final. On that certain Saturday in September it was still Friday in Kansas City, and I had a need to get up early on Saturday morning. As late as 9:30 I was still saying I couldn't watch the GF live, and with satellite coverage the only option I couldn't tape it to watch later. But I knew that if Sydney won I would never forgive myself for not watching it, so at 11:00 I was at Coach's in south KC where they put the game on the big screen for me. The North Melbourne Kangaroos versus the formerly South Melbourne Swans.

Sydney came out strong. North Melbourne had a reputation that year for folding their tents when faced with a deep hole. Sydney's plan was to create one, as they led by three goals at the first break.
 

North Melbourne 3.2 (20)
Sydney 6.2 (38)


In the second quarter, the Swans continued to pile on and pushed the lead out to 24 points. Moving the ball forward with ease, Sydney looking to take a five goal lead and North Melbourne looking to pack it in, disaster struck for the Swans. Paul Kelly kicked to Tony Lockett near the goal square, but the ball fell short. The Kangaroos gathered the loose ball, quickly moved down field, and kicked a goal of their own for a 12-point swing. Revitalized, the Kangaroos took control of the game. By halftime, North Melbourne had pulled into a narrow lead.
 

North Melbourne 3.2 8.7 (55)
Sydney 6.2 8.5 (53)


The third quarter is known as "The Premiership Quarter", as so often Grand Finals are won and lost here. North Melbourne added on 11 scores, but only four goals and seven behinds. Sydney was held to three scores of their own, only one of them a goal. With ten more scores on the board, the Kangaroos should have put this one away. Instead, inaccuracy left the door open ever so narrowly and hope was alive for the Swans.
 

North Melbourne 3.2 8.7 12.14 (86)
Sydney 6.2 8.5 9.7 (61)


Alas, it was not to be. North Melbourne found their kicking foot and slammed on ten more scores in the final quarter, seven of them for goals. Sydney managed seven scores of their own, and four of those for goals.
 

North Melbourne 3.2 8.7 12.14 19.17 (131)
Sydney 6.2 8.5 9.7 13.10 (88)


North Melbourne was the better team on the day. North Melbourne was really the better team top-to-bottom over the entire season. But that doesn't mean that as a Swans fan I have to like it.

In '99 North Melbourne took a cue from the Footscray Bulldogs, who had become the Western Bulldogs, and dropped "Melbourne" from their name. They stated their goal as being to expand their membership by appealing to fans beyond their traditional North Melbourne base. Their incursion into Sydney demonstrated that they apparently felt "North" extended very far in that direction.

However, their marketing efforts in Sydney were very poorly executed. Their presence in the Sydney market was almost non-existent. They passed out membership brochures at Sydney Swans games, where every spectator was probably either already a Swans fan or passionate fan of the visiting team. If the North Kangaroos had been trying to sell KFC to the Sydney market, they probably would have been advertising it as "Hot Dead Chicken!"

The Kangaroos played their "home" matches against Sydney at the SCG. The final Kangaroo v. Swan clash of this era (and I don't recall who was the "home" team this time) featured the Sydney fans singing "There's Only One Team In Sydney" for most of the game. When they weren't singing that, they were chanting "Carey's A Wanker!

Does that clear it up for you?


  -- RW "KC Swan" Lipp 

   

Brenda

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Re: Kangaroos Friday, 27 August 2004, at 1:01 a.m. US Eastern Time

What it sounds like to me is that the Roos were trying to take over Sydney by marketing to Swan fans instead of marketing to the Melbourne area itself. That sounds pretty crappy. Now do I have it? There's one more thing I need to know-what's a wanker?

:D

   

Brian Bay

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Re: Kangaroos Friday, 27 August 2004, at 7:48 p.m. US Eastern Time

> What it sounds like to me is that the Roos were trying to take over Sydney by
> marketing to Swan fans instead of marketing to the Melbourne area itself. That
> sounds pretty crappy. Now do I have it? There's one more thing I need to know-what's
> a wanker?

> :D
A wanker, again another Aussie slang word, well is difficult to cleanly describe. I guess the safest definition would be a reference to any part of the male sexual anatomy or what human beings sit on. The most crude "George Carlin" type reference you can come up with would be the best answer.
Hope that makes sense.

   

Colin Howard

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Re: Kangaroos Saturday, 18 September 2004, at 9:03 a.m. US Eastern Time

> A wanker, again another Aussie slang word, well is difficult to cleanly describe. I
> guess the safest definition would be a reference to any part of the male sexual
> anatomy or what human beings sit on. The most crude "George Carlin" type
> reference you can come up with would be the best answer.
> Hope that makes sense.

Brenda,
The above description of a wanker is wrong, a wanker is a person who wastes his time rather than getting on with the real thing, any one who doesn't barrack for the Mighty West Coast Eagles for instance is a wanker.

   

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