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Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link

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Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link Monday, 10 January 2005, at 11:58 a.m. US Eastern Time

Fellow fans,

In advance of a TV newsletter to be issued soon, the following official announcements of the predicted switch of FOX Sports World to FOX Soccer Channel are now available:

http://email.multichannel.com/cgi-bin2/DM/y/hkSK0Hrv7g0NhK0COFU0Aq
or
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA493459.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP
and
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA493565.html?display=Top+Stories

If you are unable to access those stories, the key information is that FSWLD will be changing to FOX Soccer Channel the day after the US Super Bowl, i.e. Feb. 7th.

The most important thing for footy fans is to note that FOX intends to let rights for other sports expire without renewal meaning that footy will NOT return to FOX in 2005. We'll have more on that soon.

FOX Sports International has also announced the launch of FOX Sports Africa as the latest in the FSWLD affiliated channels.

-Rob de Santos
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Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 4:52 p.m. US Eastern Time

Any other options for network pickup next year? This really bites. Am I right in assuming this is going to carry over to Fox Sports World Canada? :(

Rob, I'm not exactly sure what AFANA's plans are at this point but might I be able to suggest that there is another sports network that AFANA might want to consider influencing. It is a relatively new sports network called "The Score" (http://www.thescore.ca). They used to be only a sports-news channel but in the last year or so they've started to have coverage of some college football, canadian football, and basketball games. Like TSN and Roger's Sportsnet, they are widely available in Canada on all cable and satelite systems, moreso than Fox Sports World Canada. They "might" be open to Aussie Rules programming late at night.

Another possibility is the CanWest Global owned "Extreme Sports" network. Since I've read in this forum before that FSW-Canada whose parent company is Global, has always been more open to Aussie Rules than the American network. I'm thinking that Global might at the very least consider airing it on their alternative sports channel, Extreme Sports. Usually they only show garbage like SlamBall and BMX racing. One really interesting thing, and I think other Canadian members of AFANA might have also noticed this, is that sometimes FSWC places ads for it's other digital statinos like "Extreme Sports" network on FSWC. Well in one of their ads, intermixed with all the clips of SlamBall and BMX racing is a short 2 second clip of an Aussie Rules match. It looks really old, from the mid 80's or so, but it at least indicates the possibility that someone there saw Aussie Rules and thought fit to include it in the rush of clips for the "Extreme Sports" network regardless of the fact that the channel has never shown Aussie Rules yet shows tons of SlamBall and BMX racing. Maybe they actually might be interested in picking it up?
Anyhow, those are just some of my random thoughts. Cheers :)

   

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Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 5:43 p.m. US Eastern Time

Global TV in Canada wants to expand the number of sports carried by FOX Sports World Canada so that ratings for FSWC will not drop off during the summer months.

Global and FOX are going in separate directions.

Note that the primary sublicensee in Canada to most FOX Sports International soccer products is Rogers Sportsnet, not Global TV/FOX Sports World Canada. FOX owns 20% of Rogers Sportsnet.

All the good soccer from FOX's inventory goes to Rogers Sportsnet. Global TV/FOX Sports World Canada only gets the leftovers that Sportsnet doesn't want.

> Any other options for network pickup next year? This really bites. Am I right in
> assuming this is going to carry over to Fox Sports World Canada? :(

> Rob, I'm not exactly sure what AFANA's plans are at this point but might I be able
> to suggest that there is another sports network that AFANA might want to consider
> influencing. It is a relatively new sports network called "The Score"
> (http://www.thescore.ca). They used to be only a sports-news channel but in the last
> year or so they've started to have coverage of some college football, canadian
> football, and basketball games. Like TSN and Roger's Sportsnet, they are widely
> available in Canada on all cable and satelite systems, moreso than Fox Sports World
> Canada. They "might" be open to Aussie Rules programming late at night.

> Another possibility is the CanWest Global owned "Extreme Sports" network.
> Since I've read in this forum before that FSW-Canada whose parent company is Global,
> has always been more open to Aussie Rules than the American network. I'm thinking
> that Global might at the very least consider airing it on their alternative sports
> channel, Extreme Sports. Usually they only show garbage like SlamBall and BMX
> racing. One really interesting thing, and I think other Canadian members of AFANA
> might have also noticed this, is that sometimes FSWC places ads for it's other
> digital statinos like "Extreme Sports" network on FSWC. Well in one of
> their ads, intermixed with all the clips of SlamBall and BMX racing is a short 2
> second clip of an Aussie Rules match. It looks really old, from the mid 80's or so,
> but it at least indicates the possibility that someone there saw Aussie Rules and
> thought fit to include it in the rush of clips for the "Extreme Sports"
> network regardless of the fact that the channel has never shown Aussie Rules yet
> shows tons of SlamBall and BMX racing. Maybe they actually might be interested in
> picking it up?
> Anyhow, those are just some of my random thoughts. Cheers :)

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Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 6:28 p.m. US Eastern Time

It sort of makes you wonder why Global even wanted to licence the name FOX for their sports network anyhow. They should have more confidence in their own brandname rather than licencing someone elses. Why not simply call it "Global Sports Network"? There's kind of a cool double-play on words if you think about it. Global is both the name of parent company, plus it implies the non North-American aspect of its programming. In other words the word Global accomplishes what the word WORLD does in in name, Fox Sports World. :)

> Global TV in Canada wants to expand the number of sports carried by FOX Sports World
> Canada so that ratings for FSWC will not drop off during the summer months.

> Global and FOX are going in separate directions.

> Note that the primary sublicensee in Canada to most FOX Sports International soccer
> products is Rogers Sportsnet, not Global TV/FOX Sports World Canada. FOX owns 20% of
> Rogers Sportsnet.

> All the good soccer from FOX's inventory goes to Rogers Sportsnet. Global TV/FOX
> Sports World Canada only gets the leftovers that Sportsnet doesn't want.

   

Rob de Santos

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> Any other options for network pickup next year? This really bites. Am I right in
> assuming this is going to carry over to Fox Sports World Canada? :(

No, I should have noted in the original post that FSWC continues to want to carry Australian football. Their management has reassured me again today that this remains their plan.

At this point, fans in Canada need only be concerned with their coverage from the standpoint that loss of any US coverage might make financially impossible for FSWC to continue.

Stay tuned. More to come.

-Rob de Santos
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« Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 9:47 p.m. US Eastern Time


> The most important thing for footy fans is to note that
> FOX intends to let rights for other sports expire
> without renewal meaning that footy will NOT
> return to FOX in 2005.


Well, it's not like we didn't see this coming.

Okay, I've got a plan. Everybody chip in, and we'll buy a TV2ME for Rob. Then everybody can come over to his place to watch the footy. Just bring your own beer, chips to share, and don't put your feet up on the furniture.


  -- RW "KC Swan" Lipp 

   

Rob de Santos

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Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 10:50 p.m. US Eastern Time

> Okay, I've got a plan. Everybody chip in, and we'll buy a TV2ME for Rob. Then
> everybody can come over to his place to watch the footy. Just bring your own beer,
> chips to share, and don't put your feet up on the furniture.

Sounds good. I'll supply some wine and cheese. And don't mind the furniture. It's past the point where you can hurt it... :D

-Rob de Santos
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« Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link Tuesday, 11 January 2005, at 11:49 p.m. US Eastern Time

I have been wondering about that myself.

Relations between Global and FOX have cooled to the point where Global has completely scrapped plans to launch FOX News Channel Canada.

CRTC recently licensed FOX News Channel US for distribution in Canada as a trans-border pay TV news service, in the same classification as CNBC US, CNN US, and CNN Headline News US.

At this point, renaming FOX Sports World Canada "Global Sports Network" would make way too much sense.

> It sort of makes you wonder why Global even wanted to licence the name FOX for their
> sports network anyhow. They should have more confidence in their own brandname
> rather than licencing someone elses. Why not simply call it "Global Sports
> Network"? There's kind of a cool double-play on words if you think about it.
> Global is both the name of parent company, plus it implies the non North-American
> aspect of its programming. In other words the word Global accomplishes what the word
> WORLD does in in name, Fox Sports World. :)

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Rob de Santos

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Re: Change of FSWLD to FOX Soccer Channel Now Official Web Link Wednesday, 12 January 2005, at 12:44 p.m. US Eastern Time

> At this point, renaming FOX Sports World Canada "Global Sports Network"
> would make way too much sense.

Maybe Phil should register the trademark so he can collect when they make a change. ;)

Here's the official press release from FSWLD:

http://www.sportcal.com/news/business_press_release.asp?releaseID=29137&s=e

I bet the rugby fans didn't know their game evolved from soccer. I also love how they add up subscribers... it probably never occurred to them that they *can't* have 335,000,000 US viewers. There aren't that many Americans unless we've annexed part of Mexico and forgot to tell anyone...

-Rob de Santos
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History of Rugby Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 10:07 a.m. US Eastern Time

Just on a small point Rob.

Rugby is commonly thought of having evolved from soccer, however there is limited evidence. One folklore has it that a gentleman by the name of William Webb Ellis was having a fine game of soccer, when he suddenly get frustratrated with the kicking only game, picked up the ball and ran with it, thus beginning a name game which evolved into Rugby.

If FSW does indeed drop both AFL and Rugby, it is going to be a sad day. As if there is not enough soccer on TV already!

Bill

   

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Re: History of Rugby Web Link Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 11:57 a.m. US Eastern Time

> Rugby is commonly thought of having evolved from soccer, however there is limited
> evidence. (snip)

Oh, Bill, I am aware of the legend. However, most historians consider that story to be apocryphal at best. Here's an interesting commentary:

http://rl1908.com/Origin-Rugby.htm

In any event, my comment was due to the sense that FOX Sports, if anyone, should know that the story is false and not use it as a lame justification for continuing rugby. If rugby continues, it will only be because top FOX management (and you know who I mean I trust) likes the sport.

> If FSW does indeed drop both AFL and Rugby, it is going to be a sad day. As if there
> is not enough soccer on TV already!

Soccer fans might disagree with you on that. :D ;)

-Rob de Santos
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Re: History of Rugby Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 2:24 p.m. US Eastern Time

That was a great link Rob, thanks.

Any way we can link Aussie Rules to soccer, so Fox might continue to cover it for us? Do you have a webpage on that history?

Keep up the great work.

Bill

   

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Re: History of Rugby Web Link Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 11:34 p.m. US Eastern Time

> That was a great link Rob, thanks.

You're welcome.

> Any way we can link Aussie Rules to soccer, so Fox might continue to cover it for
> us? Do you have a webpage on that history?
> Keep up the great work.

Unfortunately, I don't. ;) Maybe someone could create one and we could send the link to FOX. :}

Thanks for the support.

-Rob de Santos
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Re: History of Rugby Wednesday, 19 January 2005, at 11:58 a.m. US Eastern Time

Found a couple of websites linking AFL to Rugby including the following cut and paste

http://www.iafc.org.au/origins.html

EARLY HISTORY OF AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL
The most commonly held misconception about Australian football is that its origins are in Gaelic football. This notion has been refuted by prominent historian, Professor Geoffrey Blainey in his history of Australian football, "A Game of our Own".

In fact, Australian football started as a variation on the various football games as played in the English Public (private) schools during the 1850s.

The person who did the most to establish Australian football was Tom W. Wills. Melbourne born, he was sent to England at age 14 where he attended Rugby School in the Midlands. He was not a brilliant scholar, but excelled at games. He became captain of football (obviously Rugby style) and was a champion cricketer, scored 51 runs in a match against an All England Eleven, took nine wickets for Kent against Gentlemen of Sussex and a "five fa" at Lords against the M.C.C.

He returned to Melbourne in 1856 and became well known for his cricketing talents. He soon looked for a winter activity and this led him to write to the new sporting weekly, Bells Life in Victoria on 10 July 1958. Part of the letter reads "Now that cricket has been put aside for some months to come, .....why can they (cricketers) not, I say, form a foot-ball club, and form a committee of three or more to draw up a code of laws?"

A few games of football were played in 1858 but it was not until 17 May 1859 that Tom Wills chaired the meeting of seven men who framed the first rules of Australian football. Four of the seven had experience of football at Britain's schools and Universities. They were divided on what the rules should be, and consulted copies of the rules of the English schools - Rugby, Eton, Winchester and Harrow.

They framed a set of ten rules from their knowledge of the English games, and their experience of the previous season. They wanted a game that was simpler than the complicated Rugby game, and a game that had less of the "vigour and roughness" of Rugby and the other school games.

Three of the ten original Australian rules of 1859 that were taken from Rugby are remarkably still features of the modern version of the two codes, and clearly indicate the origin of Australian football.

V. In case the ball is kicked behind Goal, any one of the side behind whose Goal it is kicked may bring it 20 yards in front of any portion of the space between the "Kick Off" posts, and shall kick it as nearly as possible in a line with the opposite Goal.
This early kick off after a behind in Australian football has the equivalent in Rugby, the 22 drop out.

VI. Any player catching the Ball directly from the foot may call "mark". He then has a free kick; no player from the opposite side being allowed to come inside the spot marked.
The mark is still a part of Rugby, and has become the most spectacular feature of Australian football.

IX. When a ball goes out of bounds (the same being indicated by a row of posts) it shall be bought back to the point where it crossed the boundary line, and thrown in at right angles with that line.
This feature developed into the boundary throw in Australian football and the broadly similar line-out in Rugby, which still retains the row of posts!

In a chapter entitled "The Gaelic Myth" Professor Geoffrey Blainey dispels the notion that Australian football is a direct descendant of Gaelic football. In contrast to the voluminous evidence of the connections between early English football codes and Australian football "not even one piece of positive evidence for a Gaelic origin of football has so far been found and I can see strong circumstantial evidence against such a notion." Only one Irishman was in the original committee of seven, and he attended the Rugby stronghold of Trinity College, Dublin.

None of the early football clubs wore the green of Ireland, Protestant schools rather than Catholic ones were prominent in the early decades of football, the Irishmen in strongly Irish towns in Victoria shunned football in favour of Hurly, and it seems that no one in 19th century Victoria expressed the opinion that the Australian game of football had derived from the Gaelic game.

The early players and developers of football could have learnt little from the rules of Gaelic football because there were no written rules until 1885. By that stage Gaelic football was in danger of extinction. The ravages of the 1840's famine and the massive outflow of people to the United States had weakened the old sporting customs in rural Ireland.

In 1884 Michael Cusack founded the Gaelic Athletic Association in Dublin to prevent the traditional Gaelic sports from dying out. The first rules for Gaelic football were written in February 1885 and like Australian football the rules were much modified in the following years. In 1886 tackling was banned from the Gaelic game, and it did not contain the features common to Australia and English codes such as marks, punted free kicks, kickoffs and goals from kicks only.

"The chief similarity between the games, the lack of an offside law arose independently, and not through imitation."

"Today's similarities tell us little about the complicated history of each game. Just as two games can grow apart over time, so they can become more alike over time. At one period, Australian football and Gaelic football grew apart; in another period they converged in spirit more than in rules. Australian football in the first years had virtually no likeness to Gaelic football as played today. It is the modern versions of Gaelic and Australian football which gives rise to the dubious belief that the two codes are first cousins or even father and son".

"The history of American football offers a similar lesson. It warns us of the hazard of assuming that a code of football alters so little in the course of a century that we can deduce its parentage and manner of birth simply by examining its present rules. Today no two codes of football are further apart than Australian and American football, and yet both were the offspring more of Rugby than of any other code".

Australian football was from the earliest years a spectator sport. In 1880 when the FA Cup Final in England drew 6,000 spectators, an important match in Melbourne would draw 15,000. In 1886 the two champion teams of the decade South Melbourne and Geelong attracted 36,000 to a ground near Albert Park. The crowds flocked to the games because they wanted to see "the long run with the ball, the high mark, the clever dodging and the sudden physical clash", so the law makers opened the game up, protected the player going for a mark, and allowed the umpire to quickly disperse scrimmages.

The rules have continued to be modified and the game we now know evolved slowly, rather than being created at one meeting.

Does any one else have any other therories on the origin of our footy??

Bill

   

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Re: History of Rugby Web Link Wednesday, 19 January 2005, at 1:28 p.m. US Eastern Time

> Found a couple of websites linking AFL to Rugby including the following cut and
> paste
> http://www.iafc.org.au/origins.html

> Does any one else have any other therories on the origin of our footy??

Thanks for that Bill. I've read that info on the IAFC web site and actually think that something similar needs to be added to our Footy FAQ here. (We have a bit on the history but not that detailed.)

It's a tenuous link at best to rugby but hey we'll take what we can get. ;)

FYI to all concerned: If you post anything with a string of more than 15 consecutive capital letters, such as in the heading inside Bill's post, your message will automatically get held for "Administrative Approval".... so don't. This is designed to prevent "shouting" or posts in all caps which are hard to read and annoying, or in a recent case, a press release.

-Rob de Santos
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