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| Magpies | 17 | 4 | 1 | 141.68 | 70 |
| Cats | 17 | 5 | 0 | 147.94 | 68 |
| Saints | 15 | 6 | 1 | 121.62 | 62 |
| Bulldogs | 14 | 8 | 0 | 125.37 | 56 |
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| Magpies | 17 | 4 | 1 | 141.68 | 70 |
| Cats | 17 | 5 | 0 | 147.94 | 68 |
| Saints | 15 | 6 | 1 | 121.62 | 62 |
| Bulldogs | 14 | 8 | 0 | 125.37 | 56 |
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After years of frustration, things are about to get a lot better
for viewers of AFL video online beginning July 3rd. A new service called Aussie Sport TV is coming online and will offer AFL video in flash format (similar to YouTube and other sites). This will replace the existing video offerings of Telstra's Bigpond service, including for afl.com.au subscribers. Even better, some of that video will be available here on AFANA.com. We will have more details on AFANA's part of this very shortly. Please note: the service will not be live until July 3rd. If you are not already a subscriber to afl.com.au you can subscribe to this new service at this link: Aussie Sport TV. (Please use this link only as subscriptions through this link generate commissions for AFANA!). If you already are a subscriber to afl.com.au, you are subscribed to this new service automatically at no additional charge! Today AFL web site subscribers may have received the following notice:
Dear AFL international subscriber,
This email is to inform you about exciting developments that relate to your AFL international video subscription.
For the remainder of the 2008 season, BigPond has teamed up with global digital sport and entertainment specialist - Perform, to provide a new international AFL video subscription service. The new site is called Aussie Sport TV and will feature a world-class video experience.
Aussie Sport TV will take advantage of the Perform Group's superior video streaming capabilities, providing short buffer times, excellent video and audio synchronisation and low rates of service drop-outs. In addition, subscribers will have the opportunity to sign up to view all of BigPond's Sport properties including: AFL, NRL and V8 Supercars in one cost effective package or just watch AFL videos - the choice is yours!
In order to provide a seamless transition for existing AFL international video subscribers, BigPond will transfer your current subscription and allow you to log on to Aussie Sport TV using your existing AFL.com.au user id and password.
We also want to assure you that Aussie Sport TV is subject to strict privacy and confidentiality provisions to protect your personal information. Aussie Sport TV will also honour your remaining subscription without any additional charge.
Your new Aussie Sport TV subscription service will be available by July 2008, with the actual commencement date confirmed to you in a separate email.
BigPond and the Perform Group are excited about this new opportunity and we look forward to bringing you the best Australian Sports action on Aussie Sport TV.
Kind regards,
David McGrath
Head of BigPond Sport
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WMP DRM Functionality
I wish they had kept the old video feature active because my WMP DRM is fouled up, and I haven’t been able to watch anything since they switched. I have done enough investigation to know it’s not their fault. It’s something about my WMP. There are many WMP DRM horror stories on the Internet. So I’m not placing blame, but I do wish they’d waited for Microsoft to improve WMP DRM functionality before they made the switch. Thanks for allowing me to let off steam.
new look web page
Love the new look Rob! Very user friendly.
Where are the games?
Where are this weekends game's on Aussie Sport TV? On BigPond TV games were usually there 12-24 hours after the final siren. It's now been over 72 hours since the Geelong v. Adelaide game and it's still not on Aussie Sport TV.
The problem for them is that games are available as torrents well before that length of time.
This service is new and there are "teething" problems
Joey: I expect the games will be there and in future weeks should be there sooner. But this is the first weekend the service is live and obviously there are problems. Write to their customer support and complain however I suspect they already know this... (or should!).
If it doesn't improve next weekend we'll be complaining. Hang in there.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
New Service
Watched 2 matches since the new service started. A great improvement!
I sent them a positive email, but also questioned why only 3 matches were available so far. I'm pretty certain Rob hit the nail on the head, but will post their response when I get it.
Right now it's early Tuesday morning in Oz, so I expect an answer in a few hours.
Rob, nice improvement on the site.
I will try to send some $$ along---as should everyone.
What response?
Guess I can "expect" anything I want, but they haven't gotten back to me. That would be a behind for the new service. The old service at least always got back to you right away.
However, there are two more matches up today, so---gotta go watch!
Growing pains
Thought I'd watch something on Aussie Sport TV a moment ago. Not so fast my friend.
No images load on the home page and if you try to watch anything you are immediately taken to Rhino TV which does absolutely nothing other than run a Peugeot ad.
Out on the full!
That's more like it
Everything is fine today. Just watched the Q1 highlights of Carlton/St. Kilda. That's pretty quick.
Ironing out the kinks------
More on AST
Sunday afternoon and not one match is yet up for "full" viewing.
Lots of Gamewraps (7), but that's not what I'm really after.
So, I sent another polite inquiry, but since they didn't bother to answer my one from last week I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting on a response.
Overall, the service works great and the quality is good, but they obviously need to work on their full match upload speed.
Given that this service is new I'm not going to start frothing at the mouth quite yet. However, a little communication would be nice. Why is it some companies just don't seem to get that "Good communication is good business?"
AST
---and "Auto-Response" doesn't count!
I agree...
No question that some communication would be good PR. From what I can tell, they are overwhelmed at this moment. I'm having trouble getting information from them clarifying technical questions AFANA has had for weeks.
So, my guess is whatever they are doing to wrap or convert the video is taking a lot longer than they thought...
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Take deep, deep breaths
Well, it's Monday evening EDT (8:25 Tue, AM in OZ) and ASTV has "Elmo (the muppet) meets Brad Johnson" available, but no full matches to view.
I understand start-up problems, but will never quite grasp why companies offer/promise what they really aren't prepared to produce.
The new service works great, but the content stinks, i.e, no full matches at this point. As a former ITVN subscriber/victim this, unfortunately, looks all too familiar. The old service was actually better!
BTW, ASTV still hasn't gotten back to me, either.
However, after becoming much more Job-like at this point in my life, I will breathe deeply and wait. I mean, miracles do happen---right?
Aussie Sports TV and Macs
I just contacted Aussie Sport TV about getting their offerings on my iMac. Here's my email to them and their response...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Stevenson
Sent: 25 June 2008 17:08
To: customer support
Subject: Aussie Sport TV on Mac OS?
Hello,
I am very interested in your ASTV offering, but I see on your FAQ
page only how to set up the various flavours of Windows.
I assume therefore that you do not offer any way to view your content
using Mac OS X. Why not? Please be as specific as possible in your
answer. If it's the digital rights management that is the problem,
please say so. If you think it's a browser or plug-in problem, please
say so. Whatever you think is the problem, I'm sure it can be dealt
with and I'd like to help.
Thank you,
Rob
Rob Stevenson
Dartmouth NS Canada
--- and their reply ---
From: cust...@performgroup.com
Subject: RE: Aussie Sport TV on Mac OS?
Date: June 25, 2008 1:10:06 PM ADT
Hi Rob
Thank you for comments.
Following the rapid growth of a range of video and stream sharing websites over recent months, a significant volume of content which is provided on an exclusive basis to subscribers was being made freely available on the Internet. We have to have a solution that will satisfactorily safeguard the content.
This has required us to DRM the content and due to changes made recently we are no longer able to support Apple / Mac products. Specifically Windows Media Player is longer supported on this platform and likewise IE6.0.
This has been extended to all our sites and services including MatchLive, if you can access the service from a Windows machine supporting the above products, please do so.
This company has always since our inception provided all of our services through and in conjunction with Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. We have invested heavily in this technology along with our customers, all of our content is in this format, therefore we continued with this platform when introducing a DRM solution for our clients.
At this time there are no plans to move to a different platform.
Regards
Customer Support
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I don't think it needs to be stated that any concern they have about protecting content can be dealt with on the Mac OS. The problem is their use of propritary, OS-specific, Windows-centric tools and methods which preclude -- for Microsoft's competetive reasons -- any compatibility with Mac OS. If this company had instead invested their time and money in platform-agnostic software and methods, they'd have all the customers they have now, and a few more besides, and more importantly, they'd be well positioned to take advantage of the future web instead of being left behind in a back eddy of proprietary software.
And if ya wanna know what I really think...!
Mac and WMV DRM
As far as I understand it, Microsoft has released the specs for all of their network protocols, including DRM, so that implementations can be developed on other platforms.
If AST could be more specific about what PART of the DRM they're using is not compatible with the Mac, that could move us closer to a solution. (Even the answer to the question, "What application are you using to apply DRM to the media files?" might help.)
Let's wait and see
Rob,
Your concerns are valid and it will be very disappointing if again they get it wrong. However. AFANA has been assured that if you can run flash video the new site will work for you. If that proves not to be the case, we will be making our views to clear to the people setting this site up. In the mean time, we will be in touch with the Aussie Sport TV staff and seek clarification. The new site uses Flash not Windows Media Player so the response you received makes no sense to me.
-Rob de Santos
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Aussie Sport TV
Dear Rob,
I noted that you had said that if you were already an AFL BigPond subscriber (I am) then you would be automatically granted access to the Aussie Sport TV. When I was directed to the site I couldn't get in and was offered a the chance to buy a subscription. What do you recommend?
Also, there didn't seem to be any indication that full match replays would be available--only highlights. Is that correct?
Best,
John
Use your AFL id and password
The user id and password you have for afl.com.au should work automatically. If not, then contact their tech support.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Subscription changeover
I was a BigPond subscriber and have had no problems with ASTV. My old user name and password work perfectly. Under "Contact Us" they have an "Access Issues" choice, so you might try that.
There are six full matches up for viewing this morning. This has taken longer than the old service, but the quality of the feed is much more reliable. In fact, I have had zero problems. That is a vast improvement, so credit where credit is due.
Overall, the service is very good and the price outstanding. I am hopeful that as they get the kinks ironed out they will have full matches up somewhat faster.
More from them...
I got back a little more from them, after reminding them that I use WMP on a regular basis...
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We are aware that it is possible to use Windows Media Player with the Mac operating system. However that version of WMP does not work with content protected by Digital Rights Management software. We use this software to protect the content against unauthorised copying and posting on peer to peer services.
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It's probably just the underpaid customer service rep responding to me that isn't up on what the company is planning. Perhaps you could let the upper echelons know that this disinformation is coming from their customer support people.
Rob
Here's the "scoop"...
We've received some clarification from the developers PR folks but I am not sure it helps much. Anyway, here goes:
1. The service "live date" has now been pushed back to July 3rd. I've revised the above article accordingly.
2. "In terms of the Aussie Sport TV compatibility, all the content is in WMV (Windows Media Video) except on the homepage which is in Flash. We’ll be able to run in IE6,7, Beta 8 and Firefox."
Why they would mix content from two platforms doesn't make sense unless they are only converting the existing AFL content on an ad-hoc basis. Given the size of the "library" that afl.com.au has that is a distinct possibility.
We will continue a dialog with them to find out the technical details.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
More on the pricing
The introductory pricing will be on offer until the end of July only. After that the pricing will revert to the standard pricing. If you subscribe for one month at the special price you will begin paying the regular price in August. Here is the pricing table:
Sport
Detail
Price ($ USD)
Price (£)
AFL
4 day trial
matures to monthly repeating unless cancelled
$0.95
£0.49
1 month pass - CC
repeating to full price
$1.95
£0.99
1 month pass - DD
repeating to full price
na
£0.99
Annual repeating
repeating to full price
$45.95
£22.99
After the first month, prices will revert back to:
Sport
Detail
Price ($ US)
Price (£)
AFL
4 day trial
matures to monthly repeating unless cancelled
$1.95
£0.99
1 month pass - CC
repeating
$9.95
£4.99
1 month pass - DD
repeating
na
£4.99
Annual repeating
repeating
$59.95
£29.99
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
One plus I see here...
...is that they're now offering the service on a month-by-month basis, rather than just a yearly one. Of course, it remains to be seen what their pricing will be past this opening promotional period - it may wind up being cheaper to just buy the year package instead of the ~7 months that cover the preseason competition and the regular premiership season.
As for Mac compatibility - they never have used the DRM built into the Windows Media format. We'll have to see exactly what this system entails, but I suspect they've mainly built a "wrapper" using Flash, &c. around what will still be Windows Media content. At least, that's the impression I get from looking over the technical setup/support page on their site.
Pricing and WMF wrappers
Thanks, George. I've posted the pricing so that should answer the questions about what is the cheapest option. For most users, weirdly enough, the monthly option may well be cheaper because of the bizarre pricing but I suspect that won't be the case for long and it will be "fixed".
If they are using a Flash wrapper around WMF then this will be a failure and do little to enhance compatibility for users. It's also the lazy way out when it would be better to convert the video permanently. The AFL is obsessed with content protection and that suggests you could prove to be right. I hope not.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Wrap It Up
It looks more and more like the new site is just a new wrapper for the same un-DRMed Windows Media content.
Something that hadn't occurred to me when I posted earlier (yes, that was me - forgot my password) is that BigPond/Telstra still have to provide service to their "local" Australian customers, which they do as one of the "perks" of having one's internet connection through them. Thus - no matter what they do for international fans - they're going to have to provide for that market. Obviously, they've sunk a fair amount of money into their current capture, encode and serve setup and are understandably loath to scrap it. The thing is - and I admit I'm no expert on this - my understanding of how Windows Media DRM works would indicate that actually encrypting every stream that goes out would vastly increase the demands on their servers. That's presumably why they've never actually used WM DRM on their streams - unlike some of the "all you can listen to for a monthly fee" music services here in the USA like Rhapsody or Napster.
Since they're already creating the Windows Media streams for the local market - it would appear that they're doing what they've done in the past, trying to put a fancier lock on the front door - the way one accesses the content - while not locking the content itself, or even locking the back door. At least as of Round 15, all the games I tried were available from the same sorts of stream URLs I've been used to from the previous subscription system. It also explains why Mac users are still being left out in the cold.
This leaves the question as to why they didn't do what they're trying to make it LOOK like they're doing - switch over entirely to Flash video. Again, I don't have knowledge in depth on the latest features of Flash - but none of the Flash video I've ever seen has been encrypted/DRMed - and in most cases, like with YouTube, one can just copy a video out of one's browser cache, rename it to (whatever).flv and it'll play in a variety of programs that can handle the format. That would make it easier for people to illegally copy their video, not harder.
What I find interesting is that now Amazon.com is offering DRM-free MP3s of major label music; iTunes has some music available as DRM-free "Plus" tracks, and other online music vendors are moving in a similar direction. Given the issues with streaming video halfway 'round the world - if the AFL/BigPond would just realize that trusting their users is a good business move and make all the content they're desperately trying to "protect" available to paying users as unencumbered direct downloads I suspect they'd reap a HUGE reward in fan goodwill and loyalty. They could have a more sophisticated backend that would prevent downloads by anyone not signed in to the system as a paid-up user - and the downloads should be playable on Macs via Flip4Mac. Illegal distribution of the games would likely wane - especially if they got over themselves and offered the same package to Australians who don't use BigPond as their ISP on the same terms as they do to overseas fans.
And while I'm ranting on ... with that kind of setup, they could possibly allow people to buy games a la carte, the way people buy individual songs from Amazon or iTMS. They could even allow people to try out a certain amount of content for FREE - which would help in recruiting new fans of the game.
Of course, this all assumes a sensible approach and wanting the best for the game in the long term - so obviously I'm living in a dreamworld.
GeorgeM
Dreams and streams
Yes, George, I agree that it does appear that very little, if any, content is actually in Flash and not merely wrapped. Very disappointing. I agree with most of what you say and it parallels my thinking. It's a half way move that as a result, accomplishes a lot less than AFANA was lead to believe it would. I'm personally quite frustrated that weeks after launch I still cannot get the necessary info from them to link videos here through our site software.. and I am only asking for basic info on the URL format, etc.so I can write 15 lines of program code.
If they really want people to watch their product and pay for it then they have to make that practical. DRM or not, if you can't make it work you won't pay for it. And apparently that doesn't bother them. Why, I can't say. What I can say is that you're right: they would make far more money if they did this the right way.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Dreamworld
Of course, this all assumes a sensible approach and wanting the best for the game in the long term - so obviously I'm living in a dreamworld.
GeorgeM
George, George, George---what's that you're smokin'??
Well - if you note my little
Well - if you note my little portrait there - it's a cigar.
The thing is - it's obvious that DRM is dying in the online digital music space; sure, there are people who will pirate nearly anything - but by making the material available inexpensively, and perhaps most important, usable without any hassles over how many players or computers can have that song at the same time and the like - the vast majority of the market is responding to that in a positive way. People don't like being treated like criminals, and that's how many people perceive DRM.
I see no reason why this trend shouldn't continue and cover video services as well. Make it reasonably priced and convenient for users, and there are lots of people who'd prefer to know they're being honest and paying for what they get. I wouldn't mind at all if they did something non-intrusive, like "watermarking" the files so they could tell if someone was spreading them around illegally.
Of course - there's the issue of whether one sees the online video service for the AFL as a "profit center" (which is, frankly, how I presume BigPond sees it) or as a financially self-supporting tool to advance the game itself - keeping existing fans in touch, and making it easy for people outside Australia who hear of it to find out more and perhaps become fans.
AFL & macs
What a continued balls up by the AFL. I know we only make up somewhere between 5 - 10% of the PC market, but still - we're growing.
On so many levels the decision not to support macs is idiotic. A few points:
1. Different sport, but MLB.com is mac friendly
2. Setanta Broadband (which I have not used and shows AFL) is mac friendly
3. Does the AFL not know about torrents?
4. There are ways to record DRM protected files using a windows pc, if you are inclined to do the research
I just have to shrug my shoulders..
NYT
Sympathy for the Macintosh
Hi NYT,
I feel your pain and it makes no more sense to me than to anyone else. That said, did you try the new service? What happened? First hand reports matter...
Don't hold your breath for torrent support. The AFL is unlikely to do that anytime soon. Lots of reasons that would be off topic here.
On a related subject, how does the new web site design here work for you? What browser are you using?
We'll keep up the work. We're waiting for the Aussie Sport TV developers to give us some technical info so we can add video here.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Giving the mac users the don't argue
Hi Rob,
Thanks for your response.
I like the new design; it provides exactly the type of service needed, and is a lot cleaner than the prior format. Overall a big thumbs up.
On aussiesports.tv i get the white screen of death, similar to afl.com.au The lack of care for o/s viewers by the AFL continuously astounds me. it's not just US viewers, friends in Asia have reported decreased viewing on ABC asia.
It's hard to get uninitiated people interested in a game when they can't watch it.
My reference to torrents, was to illegal matches available. Head in the sand stuff by the AFL.
NYT
Agreed... we need workable solutions
You're right. If fans can't see the sport, it is hard to get them interested. That is the downside of the current Setanta deal without a doubt. (This is also why we are working with MHz to get their channel to more fans and it is already paying off in cities where they are available.)
When I asked the firm working with the AFL about Mac support I got the response that they are supporting the majority of the the visitors. Yes, this is true and I understand that. Even AFANA has to cover the largest customer groups first. However, citing stats about your percentage of visitors that use Windows is self fulfilling prophecy. If you don't support anything else then the customers can only be Windows users. If you are going to use Flash there is simply no reason you shouldn't support every platform that Flash is on or why would you go through the expense of moving to it? Thanks for the insight on what happens when you go to the site to view video. Info like that helps us at AFANA make our case.
Thanks also, for the positive review of the new AFANA site design. We put a lot of effort into making it flexible and to support multiple o/s, browsers, etc.
I understood your point about torrents. We know it is there, and content gets posted thru it illegally, and so does the AFL. If MLB, ESPN, and others can deal with it, so could the AFL and Telstra; but not by sticking to the strategy they have used up to now. No DRM system is absolutely secure.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
No AFL on Setanta Broadband?
Went to check out the Collingwood v Adelaide game on Setanta Broadband, and it appears to be blacked out. Do you know anything?
Same problem occured with Saturday night's game
I went to the Setanta Broadband sight hoping the problem would have been resolved and it was the same issue again. I wonder if they have moved footy to Pay-per-View?
Travis Tarrant
No evidence or suggestion of that
There is no evidence or suggestion that the games have been moved elsewhere. Arguably, since you pay for the coverage on Setanta Broadband, it is "pay per view" just not as individual events.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
We've made inquiries... but confusion reigns
We had an earlier inquiry from someone who noticed that Setanta's online schedule seemed off. At this stage, we have inquired with Setanta because we have conflicting information:
This schedule shows the AFL on Setanta Broadband: (Ed. note: Setanta no longer on broadband so broken links removed.)
This one does not:
The direct info we get from Setanta seems to show it as not on BB after we checked it closely. However, the info from the Setanta management implies it should be unless the company which does their internet feed has made a mistake.
Bottom line: confusion. So we are continuing to make inquiries to get this clarified.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
A note I sent to Aussie Sport TV
Thanks Rob. I did send a note to the folks at AST (for what it's worth):
Greetings,
I'm a Setanta Broadband subscriber One of the reasons I subscribed was they offered live AFL games. I was disappointed that archived games weren't available. I'm not always going to be up at 12:00 - 5:30 AM ET to catch them. When I saw Aussie Sport TV had revamped it's service, I was ready to whip out my wallet and subscribe to it.
So last night, I logged into Setanta to check out the Collingwood v Adelaide game, and guess what? It was no longer being offered via broadband. In fact, none of the AFL games are listed anymore. I have a sneaking suspicion as to why all AFL games have disappeared from the Setanta BB line-up (read Big Pond).
As a result, I'm no longer interested in subscribing to your service. I choose to not do business with an outfit that lacks foresight. AFL could make it in the U.S. Poor business decisions directed by greed will kill it.
Keeping AFL on Setanta is what I call "the crack dealer" way of of doing business. I was hooked through them, and would have laid out the bucks to you for more.
Join the 21st Century fellas. Give Setanta the broadband broadcast rights, and I'll do business with you.
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I will lay into Setanta as well. Why should I pay the same rate as satellite subscribers when I'm getting less content? I know it really isn't their fault, but they should at least make an effort to correct it on the financial side.
dean
Iberns1....GREAT letter, and
Iberns1....GREAT letter, and I echo it a thousand times...this is a disgrace. Neither Setanta OR AFL/BigPond.com etc etc etc will receive my bucks this year. What a disgusting "sellout" by whoever created this situation....but my bet is...it was not Setanta. I smelled a rat 36 hours ago and my worst fears have been substantiated. I am ashamed at the tactics used by my home country...and REMEMBER.....BigPond is Telstra...Govt operated! And as for the AFL....weak kneed admin, devoid of the slightest foresight, other than morphing the GREAT GAME into just another soccer variable.....OH....and...get the last dollar outa the farthest-flung plebs on the face of the earth. SHAME SHAME SHAME and GO BBB, put the game back where it belongs.
And ..hey Setanta...a little "heads up" would have been appreciated. Simply "wimped out" and disappeared, ....unreal. Luck of the Irish, I guess....
Dennis.
Just the facts and nothing else...
At this point, it is entirely speculation as to what has taken place. We have no facts, other than that the netcast last night did not occur, on this matter. AFANA has taken the issue to Setanta upper management and been told that the lack of the feed last night would be a "mistake". No one from their scheduling department or our usual contacts at Setanta have replied to our queries. The rocky start of Aussie Sport TV isn't helpful in clarifying this.
If the case is, as speculated, then we have cause for concern. It will result in AFANA reconsidering the nature / level of our involvement with Aussie Sport TV. We'll also want to know who made the decision to deny Setanta the right to broadcast their TV feed over the Broadband outlet (given that Setanta has never indicated to AFANA their own intent to drop it). More info is needed.
Until we have more facts though, restraint is in order.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
The incredible vanishing footy
Rob,
Thanks for your efforts to get to the bottom of this.
I sent an email to Setanta support last night, asking why the live footy match (advertised within the previous hour in a Setanta promo) wasn't being broadcast over BB channel 1. This morning, there was a reply asking me what browser I'm using, what media player, what OS, did I try to receive it on another computer, etc. ;-) So, apparently there's confusion among the support ranks as to whether AFL was broadcast last night as well.
I subscribed to Setanta BB specifically FOR AFL. Midnight or 2am isn't the ideal time to watch games, and pretty frequently "reception" was plagued by periodic jerkiness or even resets back to the Setanta login page, but that was offset by the availability of live content that included full pre-game commentary, etc.
Like another poster, I was ready to spend on AST (to watch non-live matches at my convenience) in addition to Setanta until this happened. My plan was to do the 4-day trial as soon as the startup kinks in their service were worked out, and check out the quality and bandwidth requirements to see if they work for me, and then purchase an annual subscription. If they're involved in the pulling of AFL from Setanta BB so that AST can be the exclusive (legal) provider of AFL content, without providing AST subscribers with the same level of live coverage that Setanta BB has been providing (which it appears AST does not), I'm not happy.
And I'll be even less happy if it wasn't a simple mistake, because of the lack of advance notice to Setanta BB customers.
It reminds me of when transit schedules change and one public bus route is "replaced" by another public bus route. That's an excessively generous way of saying "partially but not completely replaced", and is almost never a step forward for the customer.
HelenO
Will do
Sorry Bob,
It is just the cynic in me. With the whole Viacom/Youtube fiasco and all, I really have no faith in big media looking out for the consumer. But I will exercise restraint going forward. Thanks for looking into this.
dean
Setanta disappoints AGAIN
Despite being advertised and scheduled the Collingwood v Adelaide match isn't on Setanta Broadband - more worrying is the fact that all AFL seems to have disappeared from their lineup. Any info?
Read the above reply....
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-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Set BB.
My opinion is: AFL/BigPond has got Setanta to drag it...they want us on their new streaming site....back to the cr*p and nothing live.
Setanta is still taking my money...but I got the feeling I have finished with the whole thing after this rort. AFL is finished for me if this has happened.
Dennis James.
To Rob....
....Rob, I feel sorry for you when stuff like this happens. I am a relative newcomer but I can see the effort you have put in over the years, and this kind of total bull#$%@ offends me greatly and offends the efforts you make. A REAL p**s-off.
Dennis James.
One more thing AFL/BigPoo....
....Rob...I know you will probably veto this one...but, AFL/BigPond...before I EVER pay a bloody cent to you now...I WILL get the games by other means, and a bloody sight better quality....seems that's how ya' want it to be.
Take a deep breath...
Dennis and everyone else:
I understand your anger and frustration and I share it. I have to again counsel everyone to take a deep breath and await the facts on this. If things are as bad as it appears then action may be needed. However, if I've learned anything in the past 13 years it's that getting the facts matter. Cancelling subscriptions, going to illegal means of getting matches, etc, won't move this down the track for anyone.
Way back in 1995-96 when we first started the movement for footy in North America, the most important thing we did was follow the old maxim "to hang together" in the fight. It bears repeating here. Unlike those days, we now have direct pipelines to people that matter at the AFL and the networks. We can, at the least, make our feelings known to them and we will, if it is called for.
Patience for a day or two and let us gather information. Then we'll tell everyone exactly what we think we all need to do.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
Update on Setanta Broadband situation
We're beginning to get this sorted. What we know so far is that Setanta no longer has the rights to relay AFL coverage over Setanta Broadband. The who, what, where, why, etc. isn't yet clear so no conclusions can be made. We will post more detailed statements as soon as we have more information so please bear with us. We are in contact with Setanta and the AFL about all of this.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
The Facts of the Situation
After a blizzard of e-mails between AFANA, Setanta, and the AFL we have pieced together the situation:
So, we can draw any number of conclusions from this, some of them contradictory. Here are AFANA's:
AFANA for it's part, did not knowingly mislead fans at any time. We will ask Setanta to update it's banner adverts on this site. We encourage fans to cancel their Broadband service or seek refunds from Setanta if they feel they paid for service not received. We will continue to work with Aussie Sport TV since we cannot establish any factual basis to change or end that relationship. We will update our TV pages to reflect that Setanta no longer carries AFL on Broadband.
Personally, in my 13 years of pushing for AFL coverage in the US and Canada we have had many setbacks, many much worse than this. However angry or frustrated fans feel at this moment, I think we must see the big picture. We only gain by working together and acting was one when it comes to getting our footy each year and AFANA needs your on-going support. The TV and Internet business in the USA is a competitive one and not played by the same rules as other businesses. Setanta has, on the whole, been the best partner we have had in those 13 years. We will continue to work with them but be more cautious from this point forward.
-Rob
AFANA Chairman and Site Admin
A few more words
I understand the slings and arrows being thrown at Telstra, the AFL and whomever. But, strictly from a business point of view, if you are Telstra and have paid for exclusive broadband rights for the AFL, why on earth would you cede any of them to anyone else? Remember, I’m not talking about what’s good for the game---no one seems to be considering that.
Over a year ago, when I subscribed to ITVN it was specifically for Setanta’s Super 14 coverage. Within one week the “rights” hammer came down and ITVN dropped the feed. Seems Setanta only owned the broadcast rights. The broadband rights were held by MediaZone. Was I pi$$ed??
We are in a time when rights issues are in great flux all over the Internet. Some of us become the innocent victims of that. I didn’t like it then and don’t like it now, but I understand it.
If we are to have any impact at all we need to get behind an organization like AFANA (can you say, “Send $$”?). We then present a united, reasoned voice for questions/requests/complaints. We all obviously share a passion for the greatest game on earth. Together we can make a difference.
BTW, just so you know, it can be done right. MediaZone is the epitome of what a broadband service can and should be. You can watch your footy (rugby) live or the match will be up for viewing within 12 hours. The quality is absolutely fantastic, without fail.
OK. I’ll shut up.
Go Blues!---the rest of you lose!
Well....it is clear to me
Well....it is clear to me what has occurred and should have been apparent to me the day the AST announced its July start.
And, having checked out what is currently "showing" on their site and going by the reports from AST subscribers on these pages, I will avoid it with vigour. My '06 experiences as a BigPond subscriber is enough for me anyway. They have taken live AFL from all of us who have no choice at this point....not a good USA promo for the game at all, downright disappointing and embarrassing at the same time.
Two months ago, American friends of mine in Texas subscribed to SetBB after I had sent them a few YouTube AFL clips of the game which intrigued them.....
It is all very well to have it on DirecTV and Dish, and a great advance, but I cannot utilise any kind of sat dish at my place of residence.
Of course, if Comcast could bother to add Setanta to their other ten thousand channels (95% of which are useless to me)....then all this would be way less of a factor.
Dennis.